Originally by: Cyberus

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""You have entered a universe where the path to glory is paved by one's choices. Those choices do not come without consequence, and every action taken can carry one closer to their highest goals or drag them down to unimaginable depths.""

-=Author: CCP=-

"Eve online: Incursion Clone wars."

Hope next time we all get same portret so we all look the same and reduce server load :).

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Originally by: Kyle Sucks

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I'm still worried about what happens to chars who recently remapped to factor in training lots of learning skills :[

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Originally by: Donovans

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Hello.

I must say I have very mixed feelings about this whole " learning skills getting axed " issue.
Of course I resent losing some skill points per hour under ideal circumstances:
I trained those skills for an everlasting bonus and now I am the only one having to sacrifice however little of my sp/hour for the benefit of others.
Amazing.

What really irritates me is the mockery and irony that I think permeate this blog of yours.
You rejoice because I lost my sp/hour advantage over folks who didn't see fit to train those same skills.
You cheer because you lower my sp/hour rate on top of that.
You give those same folks the chance to ridicule me and my playstyle on the forums.
You even have the brazen gall to call that a " present ".
And to top it off you inform me that this is only about half of what I'll be getting.

Hey, I'm really amazed for your gifts.

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Originally by: RaTTuS

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Edited by: RaTTuS on 26/11/2010 13:48:02

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

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It's CCP giving out 5.37M SP to everyone (which is effectively what they've done.)

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not it isn't - it's only that if you had done 5/5 in all - including the charisma ones - most character it will be less

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Originally by: Vega Vix

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Or maybe you guys have seen the problem and are looking for a solution?

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Originally by: Aeonidis

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I disagree with this, its a nerf. I am an EVE noob, I have just spent 2.5 months training these skills to 5/5 with an investment of ~32.50 USD now not only have I just had those 2.5 months out of my first six months in EVE wasted learning skills that are going away it really seems to me that I wont be training my other skills that I was training up the Learning Skills to train faster on; any faster but rather slower now. So not only did CCP basically steal a third of my initial 6 month payment but they are slowing stealing from me in the long run as well. This sucks, implementation is horrible. I wont be renewing my subscription come January.


Aeonidis

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Originally by: Rhaegar Thrax

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My heart goes out to CCP Greyscale for being the one at the CCP office to draw the shortest straw, so he was the one having to deliver this news to the raging hordes of people doing srs bsnss with internet spaceships.

Anyway, glad to see them gone, had a feeling that learning skills was too much of a fat, disgusting guy standing in the doorway that leads to actual play value in New Eden, who repels most new players.

It's allright to get rid of that doorman, he was not good at his job, there are other more efficient doormen waiting further in the hallway that'll ensure that we get the kind of players we want.

Good job CCP, it was a long overdue.

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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

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Originally by: Mayhem Mugu

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now please explain why the CSM thinks that those of us with max learning skills should get a nerf while everyone else gets buffed. (everyone gets the skill point repayment)

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I for one don't. If you look at the Learning skills proposal on the wiki, you'll see that one suggestion was a slightly more extreme remap be allowed, which would bring the max training rate up to 2760 (vs 2772), as well as an extra remap, and compensation for the cost of the skillbooks.

When CCP discussed their plans with us, I restated those points of concern. However, CCP did not think that they could expand the proposal and still make their QA deadlines for the Xmas release, and I have no reason to believe they were being disingenuous.

Any change to the game is going to be considered a buff by some and a nerf by others; this is really no different. And as someone who has trained learning skills extensively on both my mains, I do not consider this to be a nerf to me -- it is just not as much of an obvious buff as other people are getting.

Note also that the items in the CSM proposal that would render the nerf to 5/5's miniscule (-12 sp/hr) can be added by CCP at a later date. I believe they should do so, I told them so, and I will continue to tell them so.

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Originally by: Shiddy Smell

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Edited by: Shiddy Smell on 26/11/2010 20:42:38
For everyone crying about their lost 72SP/hour, simply apply 72 of your reimbursed SP to your current skill plan every hour, or 1,728 every day, this way the stated grace period of 8.5 years will stand. This also applies to the people saying "what if you apply the SP to your current plan, then your circumstances change, altering your plan?". Adding them all to skills in one fell swoop makes YOU one of the "instant gratification" crowd. Alternatively, stop playing EvE like it's a job.

EDIT: Fat fingers.

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Originally by: Dmoney3788

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Originally by: Pyro Ninja

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Vote HERE to see how eve feels about the new change

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lol 93 Yes 11 no so far

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Originally by: Elizabeth Mellon

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Why don't eve players stand up for themselves? CCP isnt going to give you free ISK for being a brown-nosed idiot.

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Originally by: GUBZZ

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What the HELL are you talking about? I'm not getting 5.37M SP

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Listen, you're raging so hard about whatever it is that you're not even coherent any more.

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Originally by: devonii

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1. Since CCP is determined to whipe away ability for people to differentiate themselves through learning (their perogative), then:

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Originally by: KrustyKrab

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Good job CCP, +1 from entire WoW Cartel Alliance.

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Originally by: Zemfadel

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you got rid of all NPC skill book orders to help curb scamming??? those who usually buy skill books probably havent seen this thread and will end up spending 4.5M ISK on a book thats about to be deleted, not to mention players joining right now are severly crippled in training ability for the next couple of weeks without the tier 1 skill books.

can you please put them back on market to help actually "[limit] the amount of scams..."

restocking the market will stop people from selling them at ridiculous prices and then The Plan can be implemented giving them the appropriate amount of isk for the books and still allowing new players/alts to train effectively for the next couple weeks if they feel its worth the extra cost and limiting their losses if they aren't aware of The Plan.

if not can you at least help me understand your reasoning because i must be missing something?

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